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Reporting facts
Good Read, But Be Aware.....I was with the 9th Infantry Division approximately the same time. In fact, I know many of the same places Mr. Tripp refers to in his book. Who knows, maybe he and I shared C-rations at some point. I also know that Mr. Tripp's description of the 9th Division and the Division Snipers in particular, although written from his perspective and with literary license, and meant to be compelling, is also unfair and plays into the hands of those who called us 'baby killers' and 'killing machines'.
We were young men, 18 years old and in combat for the first time. For most of us, it was not about proving one's self, or fighting the internal war with families and other bagage. It was about getting through the day without getting killed. Mr. Tripp has provided us with some gutsy descriptions of that emotion, I only wish it was not at the expense of other GI's who shared the same battleground, we were not all automatons nor were we without our own feelings of guilt, regardless of origin.
A great, artistic read

Right story, wrong period of time.
Col. Norton nailed it.
Sequel to Force Recon Diary, 1969, Another Great Book!

ReadableAs a university student who read this book to complement a research paper, I was disapppointed. Although very reader-friendly, Warner's style also verges on fiction and it is difficult to separate true fact from his interpretations of events. In such a book, this may be unavoidable, given that he attempts to plop the reader down into Laos of the late 1960's and 1970's. Warner does his job in that sense, but in doing so he blurs the line between fact and fiction. Moreover, I find that he often glosses over events and writes in a very American style, sometimes very dismissive of the Lao and Meo peoples. However, if you are looking for a "real life" wartime Communism vs. Capitalism cliffhanger, then Shooting at the Moon should fulfill that role quite nicely. For more thoroughly researched and more comprehensive books on Lao history, including the Lao Revolution, I would recomend Arthur J. Dommen's Laos: Keystone of Indochina and anything by Martin Stuart-Fox.
Failed Strategies
Bullseye for Shooting At The Moon

The Decision Between a Vietnamese and an American
Song of the Buffalo Boy
Song of the Buffalo Boy

Not up to par
This Book Is Both Informative and Entertaining...
The best I have read on Special Op's Vietnam....Mr. Chambers has written a truly superb book that never once lets up with the riveting suspense. It is simply one exciting tale after another, and this is one ex-soldier who knows how to vividly detail his experiences 'in-country'.
There are many missions in this book that will leave you leaning forward in anticipation. Nightime airmobile extractions under blackout conditions while NVC soldiers were taken by surprise, only yards away. Once Mr. Chambers had an NVC soldier grab him at the same moment he was extracted while holding the line, having to kick away his assailant. He paints an excellent picture of a silent life, using hand-signals and often traveling at night, avoiding any trails and utilizing complete stealth.
His recollections are not always positive,as he discovered another party who had their deception revealed and were left dead for their comrades to find. Another time while on leave in Vietnam he visits a friend at a training facility, and watches as an instructor is showing a class the proper way to handle a grenade and it explodes, causing him to lose his arm. Even using the radio while no enemy was near was hazardous, when 'miking' the transmitter on a mountaintop caused stray electricity at this high altitude to send an electrical strike to the transmitter, necessitating an Airmobile evacuation of the injured.
Mr. Chambers went on to earn a Masters Degree after his service. This was clear from the first chapter, as I found myself completely involved in this book, finding it hard to put it down. A riveting book that better describes life behind the lines than others of its genre.


Disappointing
What a letdownHeinemann's a veteran, so I hesitate to write this, but the feeling I got in reading this book was that it's like tabloid sensationalism. It seemed like the war part of the story was overblown to appeal to people looking for that kind of story and the back home part of the story was either mindnumbingly dull or voyeuristic. Not a great formula for an appealing book - and it wasn't, in my view. I'd recommend Close Quarters heartily, but I only gave this as high a rating as 3 stars because the text writing is well done - it's just wasted on this story.
distant and derivativePaco is haunted by memories of Vietnam and, quite literally, by the spirits of his dead fellow soldiers--in fact, they narrate the book. As he tries to put together a "normal" life, his continual immersion in the dishwashing sink seems to represent an attempt to wash away past sins--atrocities committed during the war--and a kind of rebirth through baptism. He gradually develops a strange voyeuristic relationship with Cathy, the flirtatious niece of the owners of the Geronimo Hotel, where he's staying. But in the end, the dynamic between them turns out to be something very different than what he believes it to be and as the story ends he gets back on the bus and heads out of town.
This isn't a bad novel by any means, and it's certainly better than Toni Morrison's Beloved, which it rather notoriously beat out for the National Book Award, but I found that much of it simply didn't work for me. The unusual narrative device, of letting the dead speak, quickly loses it's charm and becomes sort of artificial and intrusive. It becomes especially distracting during passages where the spirit guide renders Paco's thoughts and feelings. The story itself is kind of an amalgam of clichés from the popular culture's rather deranged view of the war. In particular, there's one scene in which he participates in a gang rape that is purely obligatory, rather than growing organically out of the story. The author is a Vietnam veteran, so I'm hesitant to simply dismiss it as pandering, but one senses that it is there because Heinemann thinks the reader expects it to be.
The odd narrative structure, Paco's lack of any life outside of his mundane job, and the derivative nature of the war scenes, all serve to prevent us from feeling any connection with Paco. Talk of fictional personae coming to life on the page is relatively silly, but these factors continually remind us that he's merely a character. To a degree, we admire the inner drive that keeps him moving forward, but we have no idea where it comes from or why he keeps on. Ultimately, this is the only occasionally affecting story of a survivor whose survival, though admirable in itself, fails to convey any broader meaning to the reader.
GRADE : C+


Disjointed and disappointing
Very exciting.I was totally immersed int the book.
BEST BOOK EVER

Better books have been written on the topic.Much of this has already been well known, and has been detailed by such writers as Gareth Porter, Seymour Hersh and most recently Jeffrey Kimball in Nixon's Vietnam War. Berman argues something new however. Nixon and Kissinger claimed that they had won a viable agreement which was undermined by Watergate. The collapse of presidential authority let a cowardly Congress ruin their farsighted policy and allow the North to win. By contrast, their many critics claim that Nixon and Kissinger had obtained nothing but a "decent interval," allowing them to extricate themselves knowing that the North would conquer them in a few years.
Berman, by contrast, argues that what Nixon and Kissinger really wanted was a peace agreement that they knew the North would violate. Once they did they could invoke American airpower aggressively and continually until the end of Nixon's term. The agreement was nothing but a sham, only a necessary stage in producing what would be a new Gulf of Tonkin resolution. I am skeptical about this argument. First off, it only really appears in the last 100 pages of the book. The statements that Berman cites from Nixon, Kissinger and Haig can be interpreted in a variety of ways. It could be self-delusion, especially on Nixon's part. It could be simple belligerence designed to buck up their south east Asian allies and their own anti-communist beliefs.
The second weakness with the argument arises from the deal itself. The United States had already conceded a Northern military presence in the South, the essential unity of the country, and some form of NLF presence in the government. Given these concessions it would be tricky to argue that the North had broken them and then get from Congress the blank cheque to attack them. Even more problematic was the fact that the United States and the South also violated the agreement. Thieu had no interest in any kind of national reconciliation, and Berman himself admits that the United States violated the agreement by transferring bases to the South. Berman also notes that neither Kissinger nor Thieu wished to free the thousands of political prisoners in the South. The key point is that if both Thieu and Nixon violated the agreement, they could not reasonably expect to mobilize Congressional support when the North did.
There are other weaknesses in Berman's book. The book is poorly annotated, which becomes increasingly irritating as one goes further into the books and where one wonders what the source of Berman's statements are. It is really appalling that publishers are allowed to show such contempt for endnotes and footnotes. Berman does have access to new documents, but there is a tendency to overquote them. This gives the book a "cut and paste" tendency. Most serious of all is Berman's treatment of the military situation and his attitude towards the Thieu regime. It is less South Vietnam, let alone Vietnam, but the Thieu regime who is viewed as betrayed. Berman's book insinuates that by withdrawing on these terms, Nixon and Kissinger doomed Thieu to inevitable conquest.
Thieu's defeat was probably inevitable, but not for the reasons that Berman suggests. He quotes the right wing critics of the deal, like Admirals Zumwalt and Moorer and Ambassador Negroponte. But he does not explain why Vietnamization failed to rebuild or reinforce the Southern Army. He does mention that the NLF rallied remarkably after the 1972 Easter Offensive (other scholars think they rallied even earlier) but he says little more about them. But as Arnold Isaacs pointed out in his invaluable Without Honor, the South Vietnamese Army always had enough arms to defend itself. Before the final offensive it had the third largest navy in the world and it had twice as many tanks as its enemies. As late as 1974 when already guerilla forces were weakening it, it outshot the enemy by a margin of 60 to 1. What the ARVN lacked of course, was an army with leaders who were honest or competent or courageous (anyone of these qualities would have worked) and an infantry who were willing to fight for their causes. For this failure Thieu was especially responsible, as were for that matter his disgruntled and belligerent countrymen.
FantasticThe sad fact is the agreements hammered out in Paris in January of 1973 was roughly identical to what the Johnson Administration was offering to put on the table had peace talks broken out in October 1968. The only difference was by January 1973, the toll in Vietnam had risen to roughly 52,000 American dead. No peace, no honor, indeed.
Professor Berman has written a great book and it should be on the desks of every college student studying how presidential decision-making impacts the foreign arena.
Nixon's Vietnam Duplicity"No Peace, No Honor" is the logical sequel to Larry Berman's earlier penetrating work, "Planning a Tragedy," which was a fascinating look inside the Johnson Administration and the mindset which brought about America's entry into the Vietnam conflict. Robert McNamara, despite his earlier assurances, proved to be a naive administrator, making mistake upon mistake in forcing America into an ever deepening hawkish posture. The wise counsel of State Department operative George Ball, who provided the beneficial hindsight input of French president Charles DeGaulle, whose country fought a war in Indo China between 1946 and 1954, was unfortunately spurned.
With Johnson gone and the Nixon Administration taking over in January of 1969, the scene is set for Berman's latest work. Taking advantage of recently declassified government documents, Berman presents a chaotic scene in which Nixon and Kissinger seek to find a way out of the Vietnam morass without conveying the impression that the U.S. was running out on an ally and leaving it vulnerably exposed to a successful Communist insurgency. Despite ferocious bombing, Nixon was ultimately confronted with a situation wherein public support for the war in America had reached its lowest level while his anticipated strategy of helping build Vietnam's fighting forces into a team formidable enough to hold off the insurgency from the North had notably failed. As a result, Nixon sought to convince Americans that the agreement he was able to achieve embodied "Peace With Honor" when Communist troops remained in place in the South, prepared to finish the job and achieve a unified Vietnam. Debate had persisted over the years over whether Nixon and Kissinger were aware of what ultimately would transpire, and that the agreement signed and put into place was nothing other than a facade meant to disguise an ultimate result of which they were well aware. The documents unearthed by Berman demonstrate an awareness of Nixon and Kissinger of the tragic nature of circumstances and the inevitability of a Communist triumph.
William Hare


Another unique perspective
Worthwhile Reading, esp. if you are into the topic During the course of such a book the reader usually sooner or later starts to identify" or sympathize with the protagonist/chronicler. Spalding makes it hard to do so, partly because he hardly shares his thoughts and emotions. Also, he doesn't, although a certain pride in himself can be felt, portray himself as a flawless wonder-hero.
Incidents where he caused friendly fire casualties, hunts a majestic buzzard for no apparent reason with his minigun or when he fails to intervene as the only witness when his aircraft commander kills an unarmed civilian(?) for looking suspicious", getting permission to fire by lying over the radio that he was armed - these and more plainly show that this is not a fiction book, but a real person with whose actions you cannot always completely agree (though who are we to judge...).
The events he chronicles through his tour in Vietnam are quite intriguing, though the book maybe is not as spectacular as comparable or fiction books. This is not meant especially negative; it is the more riveting because it is so realistic and believable, appalingly real.
It is the stunning little, self-contained everyday things he tells, like when his platoon leader cancels the long-granted R&R in Australia due to a personnel shortage, only to be going there himself, or when they find out that the old vietnamese lady that cleans their hootches can repair them a Kalashnikov better than any of them.
The writing is less of a fanciful / overly-poetic style, more matter-of-fact-like, i.e., don't expect great descriptions of the landscape or reflections on the beauty or his emotions etc.
Rather, it is written more like a concise diary; similarly, there is no real plot or literary scheme, Spalding is telling the single events as they come up and quite unconnectedly, although generally in chronological order.
The book is very worthwhile to read. It makes an excellent complement with Robert Mason's Chickenhawk" and Hugh Mill's Low Level Hell". Together with these, all three interlocking basic helicopter types working together at that time, UH-1 Slicks /troop carriers, OH-6 Loaches/scouts and AH-1 Cobras/gunships, are covered with a view on the same topic from the three respective perspectives, completing the picture when read interdependently.
If you haven't read any of these yet, I have to honestly admit that Chickenhawk" or Low Level Hell" are more colorful (in a metaphorical sense, of course), though also more voluminous. They also have some pictures, which Centaur Flights" does not.
If, however, you have already read the former two, I most strongly suggest that you read thisone, too.
Pulse Pounding action in a hot LZ!

reads like a textbook
Very Dry.Ed Kugler's review is right on the money but I enjoyed Ed's book "Dead Center: A Marine Sniper's Two-Year Odyssey in the Vietnam War" much more. I respect both authors for their service to our country.
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