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The best oral history about Vietnam I have ever read.

A Must for Anyone Who Served in Nam

Highly recommend this book and its companion "The Grunts"I'd recommend reading this book first, as it covers the author's first 6 months of duty "in the rear with the beer", and then reading "The Grunts" which covers his next duty in a field combat role. The two combined will give a wonderfully written perspective on the Vietnam war from a highly literate Marine officer. You can learn a lot and be well entertained in the process.


An excellent account of Post-War Vietnam!Steven A. Leibo Ph.D. The Sage Colleges and Suny-Albany Co-Founder of H-ASIA


Vietnam: The Valor and the Sorrow

We Needed This in the 50's and 60's!Professor Turner also describes Ho Chi Minh's involvement in "fighting" the Japanese in WWII. The popular misconception that he actively and effectively fought the Japanese is exposed as a myth.
Communist tactics are described in detail. In short, they followed the Marxist-Leninist line to make any compromise to gain advantage. Appeal to religion, patriotism, nationalism, or desire for land-reform. The end justifies the means by which it is obtained! Later, if and when these groups have outlived their usefulness, they can, and were, denounced as, "enemies of the revolution," and executed. Methods of population control and Communist Party organization sturctures down to villiage level are shown which effectively prevented a counter-revolution.
Professor Turner also describes the delicate dance Ho was compelled to perform, flirting with both Moscow and Peking to insure their continued support. It was here that the U.S. missed a golden opportunity to end the war before it assumed the monsterous proportions it finally achieved. Students of international relations should read this section carefully.
Finally, he describes the "victory" won by the Vietnamese over both France and the U.S. For their efforts the people have been given the "benefits" of collectivized industry and agriculture. Collectivization has produced the same results in Vietnam it has produced elsewhere: inadequate supplies of the most basic needs of society. The ruling class lives well while the masses remain impoverished.
German philosopher Carl von Clausewitz stated in his classic treatise, "On War," . . .intelligence . . .means every sort of information about the enemy and his country. . .forms the basis of our actions." The type of intelligence provided by Professor Turner was completely lacking during Vietnam. It is no wonder our plans and operations suffered accordingly.
Sun Tzu said: "War is of vital importance to the state; the province of life or death; the road to survival or ruin. It is mandatory that it be thoroughly studied." It was not studied before we entered Vietnam. 4 million people died needlessly as a result. The lesson to be learned it is, similar works should be consulted before ever commiting U.S. soldiers to war again.


The Viet Cong's Victory Reward - JailToai never formally joined the Viet Cong, but, for nationalistic and idealistic reasons, he served it superbly. He led takeovers of the Vietnamese National Assembly and the Cambodian Embassy in Saigon, and lectured at Berkley to American anti-war activists (who thought his views too tame). After the North Vietnamese Army imposed peace in 1975, he became a senior official of the Ministry of Finance under the Provisional Government. He soon disagreed on purely professional grounds with a superior official and was quickly and unceremoniously tossed into jail.
Toai had previously read Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago and dismissed its substance as propaganda. When arrested, he vividly recalled Gulag's chapter 2, entitled "Arrest," in which the freshly arrested victim invariably thinks, "Who me? What for? It's a mistake, they'll clear it up." Toai consoled himself that the Gulag was in "old" Russia, and that he was in the "new" Vietnam. It turned out that there was no significant difference. He lived through two and a half years of horrors that may seem unbelievable to those who have not read Solzhenitsyn's works.
Toai was never charged with any offense, and was thus jailed for no reason at all. His wife, a French citizen, managed to return to France and from there won his freedom. As he was being released, the fact that there was no official reason whatever for either his arrest or his release caused bureaucratic gyrations that would have been hilarious had the issue been less serious.
During much of his time in prison, Toai was befriended by Nguyen Van Hien, an old and often-jailed Vietminh cadre from before the time that Ho Chi Minh left the Soviet Comintern and returned to Vietnam. Hien asked Toai to recall the NLF's program, a shining beacon - promulgate all democratic freedoms, amnesty to all political detainees, abolish all concentration camps, and strictly ban all illegal arrests and imprisonments. "What do you make of all that now," asked Hien, and his expression suggested, "We've all been taken in...Look around you stupid, what do you see?"
Incredibly, despite his sufferings and disillusionment, Hien remained a loyal communist. Like uncountable thousands of other idealists before him, he still grasped his lifelong ideal although he probably understood that he had been purged purely because he knew too much. "I've never eaten chocolate," he said. "I'll probably never know what it tastes like."
Toai eventually spoke again to former anti-Vietnam war activists in the U.S., thinking that he had something important to tell them. He was wrong. Most of them didn't want to listen.
(Published in a local newsletter in 1987.)


The triumph of micro-historyThe principal strenths of this work are two:
1) Where most scholars of the Vietnam War have focused their efforts mainly on American sources, Elliott draws the majority of his evidence from Vietnamese who fought for the Viet Minh or the NLF. In particular, he uses 415 in-depth interviews of prisoners and defectors conducted as part of a major RAND project during the war (Elliott himself worked on this project). He also relies on about 100 Vietnamese-language post-war histories. Together with a judicious selection of English-language works and some US government data, the Vietnamese sources provide an evidentiary base that overlaps very little with existing studies in English.
2) Although he does not ignore the larger strategic currents of the war, Elliott focuses like a laser beam on the local revolutionary processes of a single Vietnamese province. Although he carefully synthesizes his evidence into an overall narrative, Elliott allows the full complexity of events to shine through at every turn, often in the first-person recollections of the revolutionaries themselves.
My reservations about the book mainly concern the theoretical context in which it is situated. Elliott's intended audience appears to be a narrow group of Southeast Asia and Vietnam War specialists. He shows little concern with the far more interesting and recent generalist literature about civil war processes by e.g., Elizabeth Wood, Stathis Kalyvas, or Roger Petersen. Debates about, e.g., whether or not the Vietnam War "could have been won" are extremely stale, and a scholar of Elliott's magnitude shouldn't be wasting his time on them.
This is not a book for the casual reader, and it is not a book for someone whose main concern is about what Americans did in the Vietnam War. However, for anyone who takes a serious scholarly interest 20th century Vietnamese history or the systematic study of political violence and civil war, Elliott's book is indispensable.


Vignettes poignantly shows us why we were in Vietnam.
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